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The Purezza is a different design with a different PR and a not very flat low frequency response.

He hasnt properly corrected the baffle step or possibly got the box volume wrong. If he had the SPL at 300Hz and above would be about 4 dB lower, hence you would need to apply a lot more power (twice as much) to achieve 97dB and you would have more relative distortion.

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Posted : 30/06/2022 1:09 pm
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Jason K wrote:
That was nearfield measurement of woofer. In front of the woofer 1cm. They looks clean enough. But when the reviewer measured in front of PR, the problem was showed like 1M measurement.

When I saw them, I thought the distortion is occured to back of the woofer. Not in front of it. If this assuming is right, speaker driver test can be explained(clean) and additional absorber in the Sointuva reducing distortion can be explained too.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:10 pm
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Jason K wrote:
That was nearfield measurement of woofer. In front of the woofer 1cm. They looks clean enough. But when the reviewer measured in front of PR, the problem was showed like 1M measurement.

You dont listen at the PR.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:10 pm
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Jason K wrote:
When I saw them, I thought the distortion is occured to back of the woofer. Not in front of it. If this assuming is right, speaker driver test can be explained(clean) and additional absorber in the Sointuva reducing distortion can be explained too.

Yes, I agree. if you completely filled the speaker with sand you could probably block it further 😉 but that would spoil the box tuning/compresion.. Did you see the impedance responses after he filled the speaker with more stuffing?


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:12 pm
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Alan March wrote:
You dont listen at the PR.

Yes I don’t listen at PR, but 400Hz can be dispersed as omnidirection as the Sointuva’s baffle width.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:14 pm
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Alan March wrote:
You dont listen at the PR.

I said that it looks like 1M measurement.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:18 pm
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Jason K wrote:
I said that it looks like 1M measurement.

Can you show me?


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:21 pm
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Alan March wrote:
Yes, I agree. if you completely filled the speaker with sand you could probably block it further 😉 but that would spoil the box tuning/compresion.. Did you see the impedance responses after he filled the speaker with more stuffing?

I saw them. Impedance peaks are reduced and bass response is shelved. Not good sign as passive speaker.. but reduced the distortion.
If the magnet - frame resonance is the main reason, how about adding damping sheet on the frame or adding pressure on the back(magnet). To be pressed by hard stuff when assmble the woofer.

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Posted : 30/06/2022 1:26 pm
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Alan March wrote:
Can you show me?
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This is it.

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Posted : 30/06/2022 1:27 pm
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Jason K wrote:
I saw them. Impedance peaks are reduced and bass response is shelved. Not good sign as passive speaker.. but reduced the distortion.
If the magnet - frame resonance is the main reason, how about adding damping sheet on the frame or adding pressure on the back(magnet). To be pressed by hard stuff when assmble the woofer.

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we have already looked at various options along these lines


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:30 pm
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Jason K wrote:
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This is it.6162

Thats the PR measurements.

What about a 1m on front axis for A and B?


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:31 pm
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Alan March wrote:
Thats the PR measurements.

What about a 1m on front axis for A and B?

First picture is it.
To compare I uploaded PR response too.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:33 pm
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Alan March wrote:
The Purezza is a different design with a different PR and a not very flat low frequency response.

He hasnt properly corrected the baffle step or possibly got the box volume wrong. If he had the SPL at 300Hz and above would be about 4 dB lower, hence you would need to apply a lot more power (twice as much) to achieve 97dB and you would have more relative distortion.

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But 97 to 85dB is more important.
It is not 3~4dB diffrence.
Sample A 85dB distortion level similar Selah’s 97dB.

Is it randomable distortion that we just should accept?


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:38 pm
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Jason K wrote:
First picture is it.
To compare I uploaded PR response too.

Its not what I asked for.

we need to see the measurement at 1m from the front of the speaker for both sample A and B.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:44 pm
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Jason K wrote:
But 97 to 85dB is more important.
It is not 3~4dB diffrence.
Sample A 85dB distortion level similar Selah’s 97dB.

Is it randomable distortion that we just should accept?

yep, see my point about power

the baffle step is wrong. If corrected twice as much power is required to achieve the same output. Thios will make the Purezza distort more. Remember crossovers also distort.


 
Posted : 30/06/2022 1:45 pm
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