Ukkonen AWG Photos

Alan March wrote:
There is no issue. Why are you concerned about -2dB at 20Hz? Which would be more than compensated for by room gain. Most speakers dont manage that level of flatness in their main frequency range.

You can add more woofers. That will make it more expensive. Is there any need? Does the market want it?

When you wrote that Aus HiFi measurement technique was not as accurate as the Klippel NFS, I assumed their measured FR plots were not accurate , that their -2dB @20Hz measurement was not as accurate. Your specs say it's 10dB down (F10?) at 22Hz.

1) Is room gain able to flatten it out to +/- 1dB or better at 20Hz?

2) With such a low frequency extension, is a subwoofer necessary in 2-Channel or MCH setups? I'm not including media (movies) with deep subsonic frequencies?

3) These European monitor speakers, as reviewed in Audioholics, are priced the same as the Ukkonen ($5,900), but definitely not as pretty (as the candy red version) have similar performance. How do you think they compare?

Alan March wrote:
There is no issue. Why are you concerned about -2dB at 20Hz? Which would be more than compensated for by room gain. Most speakers dont manage that level of flatness in their main frequency range.

You can add more woofers. That will make it more expensive. Is there any need? Does the market want it?

Well, more is better (typical American psychology)😁!

SmartOne_2000 wrote:
When you wrote that Aus HiFi measurement technique was not as accurate as the Klippel NFS, I assumed their measured FR plots were not accurate , that their -2dB @20Hz measurement was not as accurate. Your specs say it's 10dB down (F10?) at 22Hz.

1) Is room gain able to flatten it out to +/- 1dB or better at 20Hz?

2) With such a low frequency extension, is a subwoofer necessary in 2-Channel or MCH setups? I'm not including media (movies) with deep subsonic frequencies?

3) These European monitor speakers, as reviewed in Audioholics, are priced the same as the Ukkonen ($5,900), but definitely not as pretty (as the candy red version) have similar performance. How do you think they compare?

We need to revise the published spec , it is very conservative and taken from the initial modelling. Our measurements are closer to the Aus hifi data.

1. That depends on your room and speaker positioning.

2. Not for music. As an aside subs are far more difficult to integrate properly than people imagine. A single sub never works well. You need 2 or preferably 4 to help mitigate the room modes and smooth the response out in different listening positions. Plus a good dose of DSP.

3. Well, TBH you need Klippel data to form any reliable conclusions, but their bass obviously isn't anywhere near as extended. -12dB at 20Hz. So they really dont have similar performance.

Again you need data based on the CEA2034 standard to see things like sound power, directivity index smoothness and predicted in room response.

Take a look at Erins Audio Corner to understand speaker measurement.

Alan March wrote:
No, the Sointuva only has 1 woofer. The rear devices are passive radiators. They serve the same purpose as a port. We use them in that design because parameters of that woofer would require a very long port that is difficult to fit in that size of cabinet.

The sountuva, whilst having possibly the most extended low frequency response of any speaker of that size, does not go as low as the Ukkonen. Even with room gain. Plus it won't play as loud with more limited woofer displacement at the lower frequencies

The Sointuva seemed to go plenty loud in your room, and bass was surprisingly “there”.
I don’t now how they need to be played, but my NIOSH app was telling me that the time and level would make for a finite amount of listening.

@SmartOne_2000 how big is the room that you are considering that the speakers would go into?

Holmz wrote:
The Sointuva seemed to go plenty loud in your room, and bass was surprisingly “there”.
I don’t now how they need to be played, but my NIOSH app was telling me that the time and level would make for a finite amount of listening.

@SmartOne_2000 how big is the room that you are considering that the speakers would go into?

It was a small room. Also, if you want to play really deep low frequency bass the woofer excursion starts to become an issue. These are all part of the reasons why the Ukkonen will perform better at the lowest frequencies

Holmz wrote:
The Sointuva seemed to go plenty loud in your room, and bass was surprisingly “there”.
I don’t now how they need to be played, but my NIOSH app was telling me that the time and level would make for a finite amount of listening.

@SmartOne_2000 how big is the room that you are considering that the speakers would go into?

20' x 20' x 10'

Alan March wrote:
We need to revise the published spec , it is very conservative and taken from the initial modelling. Our measurements are closer to the Aus hifi data.

1. That depends on your room and speaker positioning.

2. Not for music. As an aside subs are far more difficult to integrate properly than people imagine. A single sub never works well. You need 2 or preferably 4 to help mitigate the room modes and smooth the response out in different listening positions. Plus a good dose of DSP.

3. Well, TBH you need Klippel data to form any reliable conclusions, but their bass obviously isn't anywhere near as extended. -12dB at 20Hz. So they really dont have similar performance.
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Again you need data based on the CEA2034 standard to see things like sound power, directivity index smoothness and predicted in room response.

Take a look at Erins Audio Corner to understand speaker measurement.

Thanks ... makes sense. Re-read the review...Saw this spec: 16Hz - 20kHz +/- 6dB .... this from a 2 way speaker is insane!
1. Is the HF dispersion just as wide or would that be the domain of the new purifi tweeter on the Kuoro
2. What does AWG stand for? Some form of waveguide?
3. The review said 'Audionability' was a con, a negative of sorts. That term is new to me. What does it mean?

Alan, is the Ukkonen able to match the bass performance of the Arendal monitor we talked about earlier as shown below.

Alan March wrote:
It was a small room. Also, if you want to play really deep low frequency bass the woofer excursion starts to become an issue. These are all part of the reasons why the Ukkonen will perform better at the lowest frequencies

It was not that small of a room, but it is also why I asked this question:

Holmz wrote:
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@SmartOne_2000 how big is the room that you are considering that the speakers would go into?

20’x20’x10’ is about 6x6x3 meters.
Which I think was about the size of the room we were in… ?
Maybe have been 5x5x2.4m

You’re kind of getting on the large size.

SmartOne_2000 wrote:
Thanks ... makes sense. Re-read the review...Saw this spec: 16Hz - 20kHz +/- 6dB .... this from a 2 way speaker is insane!
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It seemed pretty insane when I heard them.
Or at least insane for a 2-way.
(I was pretty impressed.)

SmartOne_2000 wrote:
Alan, is the Ukkonen able to match the bass performance of the Arendal monitor we talked about earlier as shown below.

It will beat it.

Alan March wrote:
It will beat it.

Wait! ... deeper bass for the same price ???

Anyone have a photo of these in black yet?

Paul7777x wrote:
Anyone have a photo of these in black yet?

Hi @Paul7777x

No one has actually ordered a black pair yet. I think it would be pretty imposing. The candy red has been really popular followed by Tasmanian oak

Cheers Alan.

I’m not a timber fan myself so it’ll be a paint colour for me.

I’m also pretty sure it’ll be the standmounts I buy, although I’m toying with the idea of the new floorstanders too.

And the RAL colours… there are too many excellent choices 😍